Dear Fellow USians:

Yes, tomorrow, November 5 is, by all appearances, a precipitous tipping point. We USians have finally got ourselves boxed in to a one-way downward spiral. By ignoring most of the exposés¹ detailing the crimes and corruptions of elected officials (EOs with their puppet masters and servitors) both Right and Left, we have been maneuvered by Non-Government Global Powers (NGPs²) into a choice between: 1) tyranny of a collective (“Democrats”); or 2) tyranny of a cult-like king figure (“Republican”). Perhaps there has never been a more tragic case of “seeing, they see not, and hearing, they hear not”³ the inevitable outcome of our 2024 choice whether it be Right or Left, Left or Right.

So what is the choice?

To the RIGHT, a divo⁴

• who claimed he could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue in New York and not lose loyal voters⁵;
• whose need for narcissistic supply is boundless and whose unwitting “flying monkeys” are everywhere;
• who is a master showman following the sound of his own self-serving trumpet;
• whose truth is primarily self-aggrandizing. flexible, embellished, fabricated.

To the LEFT, a diva⁶

• who fronts for a collective pushing for more and more [faux-]wokeness⁷;
• who vigorously parrots abortion “rights” with an, as yet, unspecified upper limit⁸;
• who blindly follows the ideology of DEI⁹ and Mao-like cultural revolution¹⁰;
• whose truth is primarily inverted, flexible, embellished, fabricated.

Yes, God is going to let US choose tyranny, whether to the Right or to the Left. Considering the repeating, historical pride cycles¹¹ of empires and civilizations, the USA (especially considering its promise and destiny) is on course for a justified cleansing, BUT if there are enough people awake to this dire situation of unchecked secret combinations and corruptions, we may yet escape the utter destruction visited upon two of our predecessors in the Ancient Americas: the Jaredites and the Nephites.

Time will tell the extent of our suffering and devastation.

So dear USians, whose “trumpet” are we going to hear? Many seem to think that Trump is God’s trumpet, but what if wanna-be-king Donald’s pattern is to trump (out-sound) even God’s trumpet? Have we listened to Trump 360 or just heard the 180 we like? What about Harris who seems to have already declared her non-affiliation¹²? What if the ignored 180 contradicts the preferred 180? What if both sides continually engage in word spin and spiral¹³ pretending commitment to freedoms and protections that they are already violating? What if God’s trumpet is His words, His law? How are we doing in hearkening — in forsaking the lures, culture, heroes, and ideologies of Babylon?

16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
17 Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.
18 ¶ Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.
19 Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it | (Old Testament | Jeremiah 6:16-19).

What does the sound of God's trump say?

104 And this shall be the sound of his trump, saying to all people, both in heaven and in earth, and that are under the earth—for every ear shall hear it, and every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess, while they hear the sound of the trump, saying: Fear God, and give glory to him who sitteth upon the throne, forever and ever; for the hour of his judgment is come | (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 88:104).

Again, time will tell whether we fear and glorify God or fear and glorify our chosen tyrant.

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1. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2024/09/patterns-and-pathologies.html
Web Site: The Duke Report | https://thedukereport.com/
Book Table: https://thedukereport.com/books/
2. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2023/12/in-their-own-words-what-should-we-make.html
Book of Mormon | Ether 8:20-25
   20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.
   21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.
   22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.
   23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
   24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
   25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.
3. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-nature-of-seeing-and-seeing-not.html
4. Because so much evidence has “vanished” (been censored?) in the following links, you may be able to access them by posting the relevant URL into the WayBackMachine at https://web.archive.org/
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-real-donald.html
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-making-of-tyrant.html
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2020/02/deja-vu-pandora.html
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2016/10/a-coming-american-deja-vu.html
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2018/01/faux-socialists.html
https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2024/07/mistaking-reality-tragic-parallel.html
5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMmiLWDpCno (claiming later that he was joking)
6. https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2024/07/dear-kamala.html
https://moc-n-dox.blogspot.com/2024/08/channelling-mao.html
7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnppSFggY80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RH54QmQozY
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2023/04/correction-fwoke.html
8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_z2baFHtmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr-G-1S12t4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HPOO-vyIc
9. https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2023/03/dei-ology-great-pretense.html
10. https://moc-n-dox.blogspot.com/2024/08/channelling-mao.html
11. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2019/08/are-we-repeating-history-without-memory.html
12. Truth behind Kamala Harris’ ‘You’re at the wrong rally’ remark | One Nation Under God | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo-3p2uns6Y
13. https://moc-n-dox.blogspot.com/2024/09/in-their-own-words.html

A Slippery Seismic Slope?

Cardston Alberta Temple ~ 1924
*Image source below footnotes

(Bold emphasis has been added.)

Recently, I was told that the rumoured renovation of the Cardston Alberta Temple¹ was going to be a seismic upgrade as soon as the nearby Lethbridge Alberta Temple was speedily constructed. An alarm bell immediately sounded. Not seismic again? please!

You see, the Salt Lake Temple “renovation / restoration” plan was pitched as a seismic necessity despite this unmentioned paragraph in its dedicatory prayer - Salt Lake Temple, 6 April 1893:

“Preserve these buildings, we beseech Thee, from injury or destruction by flood or fire; from the rage of the elements, the shafts of the vivid lightning, the overwhelming blasts of the hurricane, the flames of consuming fire, and the upheavals of the earth-quake, O Lord, protect them.”²

So why is there seismic fear if God and a righteous people are in the picture? Do we imagine that God would topple His world-renowned symbol of Restoration? Do we not trust God’s power to preserve peoples and places while they live within His will³? And if not preserved, that they perish for a purpose and a witness⁴? So what are we afraid of? Or are the architects and engineers with their science and technology causing us to trust in the arms of flesh? Are we on a slippery, seismic (lucrative?) slope?

But the knowledge that should concern every “lover” of the Cardston Alberta Temple is how “seismic necessity” for the Salt Lake Temple rapidly morphed into massive destruction of buildings, walls, and landscapes that once sheltered Temple Square as a hallowed garden oasis. Then, in 2021 the morphing plan and expanding destruction of temple surroundings moved into the temple interior. Most of the upbeat press releases did not show or question the reality that some saw and documented⁵; nor the “refreshing” promises that slipped quietly by the wayside. If one reads the chronology of press releases and updates,⁶ one can see the increments that massaged us from “refreshing” a historic structure and its pattern of progression (with live actors) into single-room, film instruction. Are the original progressive pattern, proxy emphasis, and mental recitation no longer important⁷?

And why another “seismic necessity” when the Cardston Alberta Temple has its own preserving paragraph |  Cardston Alberta Temple (Re-)Dedicatory Prayer, June 22, 1991:

“We dedicate the structure from the footings and foundation to the highest elevation of the roof that it may stand firm and immovable against any trembling of the earth and against the storms of nature that may beat upon these walls. We pray that thou wilt preserve it from desecration at the hands of any with evil intent.”⁸

For those of us who know the Cardston Alberta Temple, can we even conceive what would / could be done in Cardston if the morphing reno of Salt Lake repeats to achieve single-room instruction? Would / could / should we stand silent if architects and engineers descend the slippery slope that evolved from seismic upgrade and refreshing of the progressive Salt Lake Temple to single-room instruction? If accessibility is a concern in Cardston, the nearby, soon-to-be Lethbridge Alberta Temple could be an accessible option in order to preserve one of the last remaining historical, progressive temples. 

So I ask the question: Are some of us in a Uzzah⁹ anxiety that God might not be paying attention to seismic risk? On the same hand, am I in a related Uzzah anxiety? Yes, God can preserve the restored Alberta Temple according to its 1991 re-dedication, but if none of us are interested enough to know about and pray for its 1980s restored, progressive preservation, what might God do or not do? Maybe we could research what He did for the people's concerns respecting the original renovations intended for the historic Manti temple.¹⁰

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1. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2024/08/saving-restored-cardston-alberta-temple.html
2. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/details/salt-lake-temple/prayer/1893-04-06?lang=eng
3. A few of numerous examples: Noah and seven family; Moses, Joshua, and the children of Israel; David vs. King Saul; Daniel; Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego; Hezekiah and the 185,000 Assyrians; Elijah fed by the ravens; Abraham upon the alter; Joseph sold into Egypt; Mahonri and Jared; Lehi and family; Nephi; Alma & Amulek in prison; 2000 sons of Helaman; and the list goes on.
4. Abel, Abinadi, Jesus, martyrs of Ammonihah, Mormon killed by Lamanites, Christian martyrs, Joseph & Hyrum Smith, et. al.
Book of Mormon | Alma 14:10-11
   10 And when Amulek saw the pains of the women and children who were consuming in the fire, he also was pained; and he said unto Alma: How can we witness this awful scene? Therefore let us stretch forth our hands, and exercise the power of God which is in us, and save them from the flames.
   11 But Alma said unto him: The Spirit constraineth me that I must not stretch forth mine hand; for behold the Lord receiveth them up unto himself, in glory; and he doth suffer that they may do this thing, or that the people may do this thing unto them, according to the hardness of their hearts, that the judgments which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath may be just; and the blood of the innocent shall stand as a witness against them, yea, and cry mightily against them at the last day.
5. https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2019/04/494-salt-lake-city-temple-closure.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2020/01/20200108-slc-temple-removal-from.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2020/07/a-war-zone-at-temple-square-demolition.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2021/03/latest-removals-from-salt-lake-temple.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2021/05/recycyling-salt-lake-temple-gravestone.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2021/06/when-will-removals-end-latest-casualty.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2021/11/efficacy-of-salt-lake-temple-dedicatory.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2022/08/all-of-spires-now-removed-from-salt.htmlv https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/01/renovation-really-latest-on-progress-of.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/02/temple-changes-from-active-participants.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/03/more-delays-to-salt-lake-temple.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/09/underground-slc-temple-sealing-rooms.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2023/10/cheap-imitation-of-original.html
https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2024/04/anticlimatic-ceremony-of-angel-moroni.html
6. The footnote contains quotes from the link that precedes the quote (with bold emphasis added).

Apr 8, 2019, 8:53 AM | Updated: 11:04 am
https://kslnewsradio.com/1903669/historic-salt-lake-temple-close-renovations-amid-new-temple-announcements/
In addition to the eight new temples across the world, President Nelson also announced that major renovations would come to the faith’s earliest pioneer era temples. ...
“Ours is the sacred responsibility to care for them.”
With that responsibility, President Nelson announced that all of the pioneer temples in Utah will “soon undergo a period of renewal and refreshing,” with some going through some serious restoration.
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19 April 2019 - Salt Lake City News Release
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/plans-unveiled-salt-lake-temple-renovation
Church President Russell M. Nelson announced the pioneer-era temple [Salt Lake Temple] will close December 29, 2019, and will remain closed for approximately four years while undergoing a major structural and seismic renovation. The temple is expected to reopen in 2024 with a public open house.
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19 April 2019, 10:08 AM MDT
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2019/4/19/23214980/president-nelson-salt-lake-temple-4-year-closure-temple-square-lds-mormon-renovation/
The Salt Lake Temple will close Dec. 29 and remain closed for approximately four years, President Russell M. Nelson announced Friday morning, April 19. ...
“The project will enhance, refresh and beautify the temple and its surrounding grounds,” he said. “Obsolete systems within the building will be replaced. Safety and seismic concerns will be addressed.” ...
The following changes will be made to the temple and Temple Square:
   • The mechanical systems of the temple will be updated and replaced.
   • The temple will be refreshed, renovated, and structurally strengthened “to serve and protect patrons and to preserve the temple for years to come.”
   • Modifications will be made for accessibility.
   • The South Visitors Center and the current temple entry buildings and annex on the north will be removed and replaced with new facilities.
  • The plaza and landscapes from State Street on the east to the Main Street Plaza will be repaired and refreshed with greater emphasis on the visitor experience and on the Savior.
   • West of the main street plaza, the temple renovation and nearby site improvements will extend from North Temple to South Temple and between the Tabernacle and Main Street Plaza.
   • The current temple entry/annex will be removed.
   • Two new temple entry pavilions and guest waiting areas will be built on the north side of the temple, and two new visitor’s pavilions on the south.
   • The architecture of the pavilions will be complementary and supportive of the historic temple.
   • The renovation will include a significant seismic upgrade to help the temple withstand a large magnitude earthquake.
   • A base isolation system — a collection of structural elements which should substantially decouple the temple from the earth — will be installed. [My Question: You mean, to be no longer grounded?]
  • The isolation system will preserve the historic footings of the temple.
  • A new access tunnel under North Temple Street will be installed.
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Published: April 19, 2019, 8:53 p.m. MDT
https://www.deseret.com/2019/4/19/20671430/salt-lake-temple-to-close-for-four-years-as-temple-square-undergoes-seismic-change/
President Nelson said parts of the temple and surrounding grounds will be restored to resemble original conditions that existed in 1893. ...
For example, murals inside the temple will be renovated or rejuvenated, said Bill Williams, director of temple design. He said many parts of the temple's interior were covered with white paint during the 1960s renovation.
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April 25, 2019
https://templehousegallery.com/news/have-questions-about-the-salt-lake-temple-renovation-find-answers-to-faq-here/?srsltid=AfmBOor7ZlfPUXdhmQG7x50ZdQds374_Jyytembf4Szfe6HPx6WFuJ7W
[?] What will be different about the sacred work of the Salt Lake Temple when the renovation is complete?
Following the renovation, the Salt Lake Temple will include live and film sessions.
The Salt Lake Temple currently has no ability to accommodate patrons who do not speak English. When the renovation is completed, the temple will be able to serve members who speak more than 86 different languages. ...
[?] What will change/remain the same about the Salt Lake Temple’s exterior/interior?
The Church plans to preserve the historic aspects of the Salt Lake Temple’s exterior wall and hopes visitors will feel more welcomed to Temple Square.
The work of the project is a mix of preservation, restoration, renovation, and new construction.
All of the temple’s aging mechanical, electrical, and plumbing systems will be replaced.
Extensive research has been undertaken regarding such things as soil composition, granite strength, concrete and plaster sampling, and vibration movement modeling, along with additional research in cooperation with the Church History Department on the historic aspects of the temple, including its original design and subsequent modifications. A detailed study of this research includes paint samples, murals, millwork, and furniture.
The renovation will include a significant seismic upgrade to help the temple withstand a large magnitude earthquake. A base isolation system will be installed.
The stone spires and walls will need to be strengthened.
As part of the project, a new access tunnel will be installed under North Temple Street. The tunnel will grant direct entry to the temple from the Conference Center parking area.
The renovation of the plaza east of the temple will make it more public and friendly, with seating areas and new corridors.
There will be times during the construction when scaffolding will cover the temple and nightly lighting will be reduced.
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January 25, 2023 03:00 PM MST |  Newsroom of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
https://www.ldsliving.com/watch-video-and-photos-of-progress-made-on-the-salt-lake-temple-renovation-in-august/s/92250
As part of the renovation project, many of the grounds and areas surrounding Temple Square are being remodeled. The new landscape design will better integrate the temple grounds with Main Street, the Church Office Building plaza, and the northeast areas of the temple that surround it.
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March 26, 2023, 7:14 a.m.
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/03/26/reopening-historic-salt-lake-lds/
The release pointed to a milestone in the monumental task of safeguarding the temple against earthquakes. Earlier this month, crews poured concrete for the footing of the first base isolator underneath the edifice, an “important step for the base isolation system.”
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Updated: Sep. 19, 2024, 12:41 p.m. from April 19, 2019, 8:00 a.m. original post |
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2019/04/19/latter-day-saint-leaders/
Undertaking a huge overhaul at the heart of Utah, the LDS Church will close its landmark Salt Lake Temple for four years starting Dec. 29 to strengthen the 126-year-old structure against earthquakes, replace several adjoining buildings and give a face-lift to the adjoining plaza and Temple Square, the state’s most visited attraction. ...
Significant renovations are planned to the temple’s baptistry. Live performances that attend the “endowment” ceremony inside the temple will be preserved but with additional capacity to show the ordinance in more than 80 languages. ...
Beyond restoration of some of the Salt Lake Temple’s original historic aspects, the feel and character of its rooms, murals and interior architectural flourishes will be unchanged. ...
A major motivator of the project — and much of the reason it will take four years — is the earthquake retrofit and protecting the temple and church members in the event of a major temblor along the time-is-ticking Wasatch fault.
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Published: Sept 21, 2024, 1:28 p.m. MDT
https://www.deseret.com/faith/2024/09/21/latter-day-saint-leaders-say-renovated-salt-lake-temple-to-include-significant-changes-preservation/
Church leaders, architects and project managers have said that protecting the temple from earthquakes — the massive undertaking that has taken five years so far — would require substantial change both underneath and inside the temple. ...
Church officials said some elements that were in the temple when it closed at the end of 2019 could not be restored.
For example, many of the interior walls were made from unreinforced masonry and had to be removed.
For that reason and to accommodate changes to instruction rooms, the interior floor plan was changed.
The instruction rooms, used for the temple endowment ceremony, will no longer include live actors.
Films will take their place, increasing capacity and allowing the instruction to be conducted in more than 90 languages.
Many parts of the interior had to be removed. ...
Murals in the instruction rooms had been hand-painted on plaster and were removed. ...
Some of the changes to the foundation, exterior and interior during the renovation were the result of discoveries made after the work began.
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Accessed Oct. 20, 2024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_Temple
The temple was closed in December 2019 for a general remodelling and seismic renovations, which were initially estimated to take approximately four years.[3] Subsequent updates[4][5] extended the estimated completion to 2026, for a total renovation timeline lasting an anticipated six or seven years. ...
Initially the interior and its historical artifacts were planned to be preserved[25] (although plans were later changed and many historic elements were removed[26]) and plazas and landscaping modified.[27]
... Before reconstruction started, church leaders indicated that the temple's unique historicity would be preserved.[3] Church employees stated that special efforts would be made to highlight and honor the pioneer craftsmanship[25] and indicated the interiors would essentially remain the same.[28 Various renderings were released showing the instruction rooms used for the endowment ceremony would remain intact, with the original layout, woodwork and murals being preserved.[25]
In March 2021, the church announced significant changes to the renovation plan that affected many elements in the temple's historic interior. The progressive room-to-room live endowment ceremony would be removed and the layout of the temple would change, with the baptistry being moved to the annex and new instruction rooms constructed in its place. Other rooms and walls would be reconfigured, requiring the removal of the temple's murals. The murals and many other historic features of the building were photographed and otherwise documented before being permanently removed or destroyed.[26] These changes will allow for greater patron capacity, but the removal of many historic elements was met with criticism, especially the destruction of the temple's murals. One prominent historian described the changes as a "huge and unnecessary loss" and another noted them as a loss of "priceless cultural artifacts".[29]
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Salt Lake Temple Update accessed on Oct 20, 2024
https://churchofjesuschristtemples.org/salt-lake-temple/
Temple Renovation
At a news conference held on April 19, 2019, President Russell M. Nelson announced that the Salt Lake Temple would close on December 29, 2019, for approximately four years of renovation and restoration including improvements to the surrounding grounds and facilities.1 On March 12, 2021, modifications to the planned interior of the temple were announced, which will significantly increase capacity and likely increase the length of closure.2 Highlights of the project include the following:
   • Structural reinforcements to the walls and roof of the temple will work in conjunction with a base isolation system installed under the massive foundation to mitigate the impact of seismic activity.
   • Modern mechanical, electrical, and plumbing systems will replace the aging and outdated equipment located throughout the temple.
   • The existing annex and sealing room wing on the north side of the temple, built in the 1960s, will be demolished and replaced. Two smaller patron pavilions will replace the annex, and the sealing room wing will be rebuilt slightly wider and more true to the design of the exterior wall that it extends.
   • The recommend desk will be located underground, featuring expansive skylights with generous views of the temple above. This area will be accessible from the patron pavilions through a grand hall or by way of a patron tunnel from the Conference Center parking facility.
  • The historic interior of the temple will be restored and refreshed, returning to a Victorian-inspired palette of dark woods, rich colors, and patterned fabrics.
   • Two more instruction rooms, ten more sealing rooms, and a second baptistry will be added to increase the capacity of the temple. The new instruction rooms will replace the former baptistry, and two new baptistries will be built in the lower level of the north annex.
   • The progressive room-to-room presentation of the endowment by live actors will be replaced by single-room video presentations. The instruction room murals will be photographed, documented, and permanently removed.
   • Sections of the historic wall that currently surround Temple Square will be replaced with ornamental fences, providing better views and access to the temple from the north and south.
   • The South Visitors’ Center will be demolished and replaced with two visitor pavilions connected by a full basement that will not obstruct views of the temple from the south.
   • The plaza and landscaping south of the Church Office Building will be repaired and renovated to place greater emphasis on the international presence of the Church and improve the visitor experience.
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How it used to look: https://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/2015/08/salt-lake-temple-interior.html
7. What is the pattern? Who are “them”? “My servant Joseph and his counselors”?
Doctrine and Covenants | Section 115:14-16  (bold emphasis added)
   14 But let a house be built unto my name according to the pattern which I will show unto them [v. 16].
   15 And if my people build it not according to the pattern which I shall show unto their presidency, I will not accept it at their hands.
   16 But if my people do build it according to the pattern which I shall show unto their presidency, even my servant Joseph and his counselors, then I will accept it at the hands of my people.
8. https://www.thechurchnews.com/1991/6/29/23260491/cardston-alberta-temple-touch-the-hearts-of-thy-people-with-the-spirit-of-elijah-the-prophet/
9. Old Testament | 2 Samuel 6:2-9
   2 And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.
   3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
   4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.
   5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the LORD on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
   6 ¶ And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it.
   7 And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God.
   8 And David was displeased, because the LORD had made a breach upon Uzzah: and he called the name of the place Perez-uzzah to this day.
   9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day, and said, How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?
10. Manti Utah Temple
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/manti-utah-temple-priceless-murals-preserved
https://religionnews.com/2021/05/01/mormons-petitions-help-to-save-historic-artwork-in-manti-utah-temple/
https://www.change.org/p/the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints-save-the-manti-temple-murals
https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/24/22349015/church-of-jesus-christ-will-preserve-manti-temples-minerva-teichert-murals-history-renovation/
https://exponentii.org/blog/an-artist-story-how-one-person-saved-the-minerva-teichert-murals-in-the-manti-temple/

*Page URL: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:L.D.S._Temple._Cardston._Alta.jpg
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Patterns and Pathologies*

Do we have a sufficient knowledge of history, countries, and kingdoms¹ in order to discern the repeating patterns and pathologies of the thief who, in every age, “cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy”²?

How many unread exposés do we have on library shelves or e-readers that unmask the thief and his servitors? How many truths cast into the black hole of “conspiracy theory”? How many ubiquitous nefarious distractions so we do not awaken, as commanded, to those patterns and pathologies?

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things [murderous combinations] come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up (Book of Mormon | Ether 8:24).

As it presently stands, with each new exposé, we have (as the conspirators allege) “a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing of import”; but what if we linked ten exposés together? or one-hundred? or more? Do we know where to find them, scattered, as they are, over time and space? Do we have the time to digest them even if we could gather them?

Well, maybe there is a space. Maybe many single exposés are already woven into a phalanx of exposés. Maybe even time and space have already been distilled for rapid access. Maybe this place is

The Duke Report.

Peter Duke is not part of our faith community, but his life experiences have prepared him to see and hear the agendas and patterns in history that so many do not see or refuse to see; and with his other gifts, he has created an exceptional site of exposure and insight condensed for maximum accessibility. Consider his:

Web Site: The Duke Report | https://thedukereport.com/

“The Duke Report was started out of Peter Duke’s frustration to explain to individual publishers how sharing RSS feeds can be mutually beneficial. This site is a collection of INDEPENDENT journalists, working to expose the lies perpetrated by mainstream media ALL OVER THE WORLD. It’s not perfect, it get better each day, but if you want to know the truth about the world around you, these sources can help you figure it out.”

Book Table: https://thedukereport.com/books/

• Click on any book to find a summary as well as other related videos and books
• Click on the right hand indices that list Book Series, Book Genres, Book Authors (by first name) for a wealth of information.

Two-Page University: https://thedukereport.com/tpu/

“Two-Page University is designed to foster Cognitive Liberty — the freedom to think critically, ask questions, and challenge the dominant narratives. In a world filled with surface-level content and media manipulation, these two-page editions provide a much-needed antidote: concise, insightful explorations of ideas that matter.

“But we’re not just asking you to read — we’re asking you to take action. Download these PDFs, print them, and place them in Little Libraries, community centers, coffee shops, or any venue where curious minds might stumble upon them. By doing this, you’re spreading the message of Cognitive Liberty and helping others discover the power of independent thought.”

“For those seeking answers to today’s pressing questions, Two-Page University distills the wisdom of the greatest thinkers from the past 3,000 years into concise, thought-provoking segments that resonate with young minds.

“Our mission is to inspire The People to reclaim their cognitive liberty in a society dominated by mindless social media and authoritarian voices. True critical thinking comes not from blind obedience to so-called experts but from engaging with diverse ideas and trusting one’s own reasoning. Two-Page University empowers readers to challenge the status quo, question deeply, and think independently.

“ What sets us apart is our grassroots approach. By leveraging crowd-sourced distribution and the dedication of volunteers worldwide, we’re building a movement of informed, free thinkers. This unique distribution model ensures Two-Page University reaches every corner of the globe, thanks to those who believe in peace, prosperity, and liberty for all.”

Channels:

• https://www.youtube.com/@TheDukeReport/videos
• https://rumble.com/user/TheDukeReport/videos
• Twittertwitter.com/thedukereport
• Instagraminstagram.com/dukereportnews
• Facebookfacebook.com/thedukereport
• https://t.me/+9CRlV9bHNsE1ODAx

One does not need to agree with everything another believes or shares, but single threads of exposure and truth can weave into powerful cables; and since it appears now (to many watchers) that the Constitution is almost hanging by a (disputed³) thread, maybe we would be well advised to know and help unify the many threads of truth about the thief and his servitors.

As always, we seek to use discernment and critical thinking as Paul advises:

21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
      (New Testament | 1 Thessalonians 5:21)

And may we earnestly seek to get past any biases and hard priors⁴ that deny the reality and prevalence of the natural man.⁵

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* https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2023/07/the-garden-path-to-pathocracy.html

1. Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:53
   53 And, verily I say unto you, that it is my will that you should hasten to translate my scriptures, and to obtain a knowledge of history, and of countries, and of kingdoms, of laws of God and man, and all this for the salvation of Zion. Amen
2. New Testament | John 10:10
   10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
Pearl of Great Price | Moses 4:3-4
   3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;
   4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.
3. Various opinions on the disputed “Thread” Prophecy
• https://bookofmormonevidence.org/are-we-hanging-by-a-thread-yet/
• https://mormonr.org/qnas/xLOJnc/white_horse_prophecy?gad_source=5&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrdCWkZDaiAMVdgytBh0s7hYTEAAYASAAEgJk-_D_BwE
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Prophecy
• https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/The_White_Horse_prophecy
• https://ia800304.us.archive.org/31/items/ViewpointOnMormonism/2012.10.17.JODConstitutionHangingByAThreadPart1.mp3 (Note: This writer, at this time, does not think the White Horse is the Church)
• https://ia800304.us.archive.org/31/items/ViewpointOnMormonism/2012.10.18.JODConstitutionHangingByAThreadPart2.mp3 (Note: This writer, at this time, does not think the White Horse is the Church)
4. The science writer Sharon Begley gives insight into such motivated reasoning: “If you have a strongly held belief with an emotional component, the brain defends information that reinforces those ‘priors’ and is skeptical of information that challenges them. … People who hold these hard priors filter information to support their perceptions.” (Bold emphasis mine.)
These observations are from the work of political scientist Hank Jenkins-Smith of the University of Oklahoma as quoted, in Newsweek, October 13, 2010, pp. 29-30 by science writer Sharon Begley about voter tendencies—observations that seem applicable to almost everything that requires choice or discernment. We all do it, (even this writer) and without awareness of a “priors” bias, are we not all more prone to biased judgment—whether pro or con? Shouldn’t 360° honesty in dealing with all the facts help control that bias?
5. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2010/05/natural-man.html

Saving the Restored Cardston Alberta Temple*?

Cardston Alberta Temple
Image source & attribution
below footnotes

Should we Canadians be concerned about a rumored re-modelling for the Cardston Alberta Temple? This would be the third remodel since the temple’s first dedication in 1923. Over the ‘50s and early ‘60s ongoing changes and upgrades resulted in a second dedication in 1962. Then, fortunately, during another major remodel (1988-1991), the focus morphed:

“when the temple's original murals were uncovered during upgrade work [1988+], the project's primary focus shifted to restoring the temple to its 1923 splendor. Many of the elements previously covered or removed [in the ‘50s and ‘60s] were restored or re-created”¹;

(with many thanks to the 1980s flexible and inspiring project engineer and designer R. Michael Gibb of Gowling and Gibb Architects of Calgary Alberta).

The third dedication following the splendid restoration took place a mere 33 years ago (1991), yet despite the temple's restored beauty, continuing functionality, and two historical designations,² we are hearing frequent rumors of renovation. What might we expect, considering the controversies with the “renovations” of other historic temples, like Logan, St. George, Manti, and Salt Lake?

The Cardston Temple is now one of the few temples that retains the historic five-room progression,³ with a segmented film format introduced in 1991 replacing the live actors. In the beginning of LDS temple building, the five-room, ordinance sequence of moving forward and upward (one eternal round) was the pattern,^3a but has now been abandoned in newer temple designs and renovations — renovations that are imposing a single-room instruction design as we see in the Salt Lake temple interior demolition and re-construction.⁴

If single-room instruction⁵ is being planned for this rumored third renovation for the historic Cardston Temple, it would require a gutting of the temple interior as was done in the Salt Lake Temple. The very thought is shocking.

Does the Lord care about our feelings for this first temple in Canada — its murals, splendid woods, beautiful craftsman style / design, pioneer remembrance, and preservation of pattern? this temple that just marked its centennial in 2023 — a mere 100 years compared to other magnificent buildings of antiquity that are still standing and in use.  And furthermore: Does God care about diminishing symbolism, meaning, function, motion, wording, pattern, history? Where have the proxy covenants and promises gone? Does God still expect the law of common consent?

2 And all things shall be done by common consent in the church, by much prayer and faith, for all things you shall receive by faith. Amen (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 26:2).

13 For all things must be done in order, and by common consent in the church, by the prayer of faith (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 28:13).⁶

In summary, I ask: Should we be concerned, considering:

▪ the massive deconstruction and then re-construction to single-room instruction of the iconic Salt Lake Temple,⁷ including the changing of renovations plans beyond what was initially announced?
▪ the original intention for the historic Manti Temple murals⁸?
▪ the (forgotten?) regrets for the 1970s Logan Temple gutting and renovation⁹?
▪ the discussion of a renovation that turned into a complete demolition of the Provo Temple¹⁰?
▪ the disposable nature of our modern culture when compared to magnificent structures still in use after thousands of years¹¹?

If there is thought or concern about seismic danger, let us remember President Gordon B. Hinckley’s 1991 dedicatory prayer and center our faith and trust in God and His preserving Hand.

Paragraph from the Cardston Alberta Temple Dedicatory Prayer | June 22, 1991

“We dedicate the structure from the footings and foundation to the highest elevation of the roof that it may stand firm and immovable against any trembling of the earth and against the storms of nature that may beat upon these walls. We pray that thou wilt preserve it from desecration at the hands of any with evil intent.”¹²

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* https://www.thechurchnews.com/almanac/temples/cardston-alberta/
https://news-ca.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/cardston-alberta-temple (Canadian historic designation date in error: should be Nov. 16, 1992) (URL archived on August 19, 2024 at archihve.org |
https://web.archive.org/web/20240819173605/
https://news-ca.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/cardston-alberta-temple
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardston_Alberta_Temple

1. https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/content/cardston-temple-history?lang=eng
2. The 1992 designation of the Cardston Alberta Temple as a National Historic Site of Canada Temple of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints National Historic Site of Canada |
https://www.pc.gc.ca/apps/dfhd/page_nhs_eng.aspx?id=16
The temple is also on the Church Historic Landmark list
https://history.churchofjesuschrist.org/content/cardston-temple-history?lang=eng
3. https://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/2018/08/cardston-temple.html (Scroll to rough sketch of upper floors for 5-room structure.)
3a.This footnote was added Aug 26 after reading this in my scheduled morning scripture study. What is the pattern? Who is they? "My servant Joseph and his counselors"?
Doctrine and Covenants | Section 115:14-16
   14 But let a house be built unto my name according to the pattern which I will show unto them.
   15 And if my people build it not according to the pattern which I shall show unto their presidency, I will not accept it at their hands.
   16 But if my people do build it according to the pattern which I shall show unto their presidency, even my servant Joseph and his counselors, then I will accept it at the hands of my people.
4. Church News 2021: “In both the Salt Lake and Manti temples, the member experience previously included a progressive, room-to-room presentation by live actors. However, both will be transitioning to single-room presentations by film, similar to what is done in the Church’s other temples worldwide.”
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2021/3/12/23218566/salt-lake-temple-changes-no-live-sessions-manti-utah-temple-renovation/
https://www.thechurchnews.com/temples/2024/06/09/salt-lake-temple-square-renovation-update-church-news-podcast/
5. “The First Presidency said that with the two historic temples [Salt Lake and Manti], there is a desire to ensure that the learnings and experiences are similar for all coming from anywhere in the world.
“The same ordinances, covenants and authority are available in every temple and will now be presented in the same way [single room instruction] — and now in more than 80 languages.”
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2021/3/12/23218566/salt-lake-temple-changes-no-live-sessions-manti-utah-temple-renovation/
6. In the same spirit of common consent:
   71 And there shall not any part of it be used, or taken out of the treasury, only by the voice and common consent of the order (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 104:71).
7. https://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/2021/07/preservation-update-thoughts-on-pioneer.html
https://universe.byu.edu/2023/05/10/the-salt-lake-temples-evolving-design-and-unchanging-symbolism/
Church News 2021: "In both the Salt Lake and Manti temples, the member experience previously included a progressive, room-to-room presentation by live actors. However, both will be transitioning to single-room presentations by film, similar to what is done in the Church’s other temples worldwide."
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2021/3/12/23218566/salt-lake-temple-changes-no-live-sessions-manti-utah-temple-renovation/
“Murals and other historical elements
“Temple renovations for the future are impacting historical elements, such as the expansive murals in the two temples, said the First Presidency.
“In the Salt Lake Temple, the addition of the new instruction rooms, a new method of presentation, seismic strengthening and changes to meet accessibility requirements meant that the temple murals would need to be moved and/or repainted. Some sections of the murals were in poor condition and beginning to crumble.
“It was impossible to know whether the murals could be preserved during such a move,” the First Presidency said. “They were originally painted directly on lath and plaster walls, which had been repaired and repainted many times because of water damage and other deterioration. Further, the change to a film presentation meant that the rooms would be reconfigured.”
8. Manti Renovation Intentions: Similar to the changes in the Salt Lake Temple, the progressive room-to-room presentation by live actors will transition to single-room presentations by film. The murals will also be photographed, documented, and removed. Some elements of the temple’s structure will be updated to accommodate these changes and improve accessibility for patrons. The historic staircases in the Manti Temple (and Salt Lake Temple) are being preserved during the renovations.
Manti Murals
The artwork in the Manti Temple includes murals painted by Minerva Teichert, which are valued not only for their beauty, but also as a treasured remembrance of the faith, talent and dedication of the artist.
The Teichert murals in the Manti Temple were originally painted on canvas, which was adhered to the plaster walls. The Church’s intent is to separate the canvas or portions of the canvas from the plaster and preserve the murals for future restoration and display in a public setting. We are seeking the advice of international experts in the field of art preservation during this process.
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/salt-lake-manti-temples-update-march-2021
24 March 2021 - Salt Lake City | First Presidency Message
https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/salt-lake-manti-temples-update-march-2021
“Saving the [Manti} murals
“The planned Manti Temple renovations initially sparked a public outcry after the church revealed plans to tear down the original murals. After nearly two weeks of petitions, protests and phone calls arguing passionately against destroying the art, the church announced that the murals might be preserved and displayed to the public at some point.
“Weeks later, the governing First Presidency changed course again, declaring that the murals would remain in the Manti Temple and that another temple would be built in nearby Ephraim, where construction is underway.”
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/03/11/manti-lds-temple-is-back-with-its/
9. Logan Temple 1970s gutting:
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2019/5/17/23219073/135-years-ago-the-logan-utah-temple-was-dedicated-here-are-some-fun-facts-you-might-not-know-about-i/
http://archive.timesandseasons.org/2021/03/counterpoint-a-feeling-of-loss/index.html
“When complaints came from the National Register of Historic Places (of which the temple was a part), a regional representative of the Church responded, "Personally, I don't see any difference one way or another. The temple serves a religious purpose whether it's an historical site or not" ("Historical register status or not, Logan Temple will serve function," Deseret News, May 7 1979).
“That is not to say that nobody cared. Presidents Kimball and Benson are both reported to have expressed regret about the remodel, even while they said it was necessary. A more sensitive remodel would have been more expensive, taken longer, and not as efficient as the gutting was--but, in the minds of many preservationists, it would have been better.” https://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/2015/07/logan-temple-interior-renovation-and.html
10. “On the day I took these photos [of demolition of the Provo Temple], I talked to a Provo Temple Ordinance worker who was also taking pictures. She was heartbroken to see "her" temple being torn down. She told me that a year ago they had a meeting with all of the Provo Temple workers.  Church authorities announce[d] to them that the temple would only be closed for renovation. The purpose was to put in an additional baptistry where the cafeteria was located.  No mention of tearing the entire temple down. No mention of any need to earthquake proof the temple. However that is now the reason given to the public as to why they need to tear down the Temple.” | https://barerecord.blogspot.com/2024/05/unbelievable-of-what-we-destroy-and.html
11. 15 OLDEST Buildings Still in Use Today | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3dcwCG37Jo
12. https://www.thechurchnews.com/1991/6/29/23260491/cardston-alberta-temple-touch-the-hearts-of-thy-people-with-the-spirit-of-elijah-the-prophet/

Other Resources:
Presentation of the Endowment: Progression: Nathan Augustine | Mar 20, 2020
https://www.templefacts.org/post/presentation-of-the-endowment-progression
https://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/p/lds-temples.html
https://ldspioneerarchitecture.blogspot.com/2021/07/preservation-update-thoughts-on-pioneer.html
https://www.ldstemple.pics/news/tag/temple-interior/page/3/
https://dctemple.org/galleries/temple-interior/

Image:

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Attribution: Kim Siever, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons

Mistaking Reality: a Tragic Parallel? a Warning?

In recent days since July 13th, we have heard many witnesses report how they mistook gunshots for innocuous fireworks or firecrackers, but for veterans and others with the experience of gunfire or with emergency training, they knew immediately the reality — that another act of violence and treason was being perpetrated upon American soil.

But what is the tragic parallel? It is that despite repeated historical patterns and evidence, too many of us remain undiscerning of the reality within corrupted, competing power structures. We have too many “Crooks” (and patsies, both Left and Right) hiding on “inclined” roofs, or other concealed places. We have too many security experts or watchdogs who, for reasons of R.I.C.E.¹ or otherwise, ignore and / or suppress evidence as they follow a path of lying, cheating, stealing, and killing² to further ideological goals or to cover for failings.

Yes, Trump’s close call is miraculous to his supporters and other observers (though infuriating to those who plotted or preferred his death), but only time will tell if Trumpers are again mistaking reality in seeing in him a savior of American purpose and promise. What are the historical patterns, evidences, and values he has manifest over his life? What have his past actions and words demonstrated, unfiltered by idolization and selective memory?

And what of his defiant words and motions moments after the attempted assassination? Are we mistaking courage with the reality of who he is — a man who has already dodged so many “bullets” in his career that a sense of invulnerability pervades his expectations and responses in life? Remember his “joking” words that loyal supporters would still vote for him even if he shot someone on 5th Avenue in New York³?

Despite the repeating patterns of history, we the people continually fall for idolatrous hope in “strong men” who promise things their dispositions to tyranny will never deliver. Are we so blind that we cannot see where “America” is headed – either into a collective, corporate tyranny under Left fwokism⁴ or into the arms of an egocentric strongman who promises great things but delivers despotism? Either way, in my view from historical perspective, we are going to be “kicked into [a despotic] reality”⁵ within the next year or two with a suddenness that will be stunning.

So what might God’s purpose be in Trump’s survival? Could it be a parting shot to the American people? a final graphic warning to give ear to the prophecies of destruction and death that Justice must inflict if the worship and idolatries of power, gain, glory, self, and other mortals⁶ are not abandoned; if we refuse to repent; if we continue to sustain Babylon and all her idols and crimes against God's creation?

Are we living our lives pretending / imagining that all the evils that are being done (once in secret but now more openly by both Left and Right) are but mere firecrackers, when, in reality, gunfire is already claiming innocent victims, like Corey Comperatore⁷ and hundreds of others in other times and places who have been quietly assassinated for witnessing for truth – for opposing lying narratives – even for just being alive?

Once again, here is Moroni’s warning: –

21 And they [secret combinations] have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.
22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.
23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.
24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.
25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.
26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved  (Book of Mormon | Ether 8:21-26).

Please let us:

▪ see and hear 360;
▪ quit pretending we can discard or ignore without consequence evidences that counter our idealized, idolized hopes and narratives;
▪ fervently pray that the wicked, whether Left or Right, be brought to repentance, and if they refuse repentance, that they be brought to exposure and accountability, justice and judgment.

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1. R.I.C.E.: Reward, Ideology, Coercion, Ego – https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-price-of-rice.html
2. https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2020/01/lost-soul-of-america.html
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgqGfhVlXrE (“Of course, I was joking.”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMmiLWDpCno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xaMhfNq_xY
4, https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2023/04/correction-fwoke.html
5. https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2020/09/kicked-into-reality.html
https://dejavu-times.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-t-point.html
6. E.G.: the “Christian” idolatry of Trump (added: July 28, 2024): This is Getting Out of Control (Whaddo You Meme?? | July 23, 2024 | Time 8:50 min.) at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkOuxjWgyVY
7. https://apnews.com/article/trump-rally-fatal-shooting-corey-comperatore-2c4930b7749cab1c53fc006a58450ed4

Confused About the “Lost Ten Tribes”? Part III

First in the Series: Confused About the Jews? Part I: Conflation¹
Second in the Series: Confused About Israel? Part 2: the Gathering?²

Part 3: Confused About the “Lost Ten Tribes”?
Speculations and opinions about the identity and / or location of the lost Ten Tribes are too numerous to review here, so I footnote³ a sampling of thoughts and opinions for those interested, with the observation that from God’s perspective, seemingly exclusive questions (such as: “Is it this? Is it that? or is it something else?) are sometimes answered with “It’s all of them⁴! In the case of the Ten Tribes, could it be all of them: some lost; some scattered; some assimilated; some distinct; some hidden; some here; some there?”

In this post I will just consider what the Prophet Joseph Smith reportedly said about the Lost Ten Tribes because what some believed and witnessed in the 1800s seems to have been discarded⁵ by many in this latter-day as being too fantastic. Here are several “fantastic” testimonies of one of the possibilities:

1. AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF WANDLE MACE (1809-1846)
Journal of Wandle Mace, typescript, HBLL
(As told to his wife, Rebecca E. Howell Mace)⁶

Chapter 7
I have listened to the Prophet Joseph in public, and in private, in sunshine and shower–as many others have done as he taught from the stand–At my own house, and at his ho[u]se, I have been familiar with him, from the time he escaped from prison in Missouri in 1839 until his martyrdom in 1844, and do know that no man could explain the scripture–throw them wide open to view, so plain that none could misunderstand their meaning–except he had been taught of God.

--- I have many times been pondering upon a subject, and seemed to come to a stand-still, not knowing how to gain farther information, relating to it, when upon going to meeting on the sabbath, the key would be touched by Joseph and the subject would be so plain I wondered why I had not seen it before.

I was in this situation in relation to the Ten lost tribes of Israel. I had read everything I could find relating to them. I had carefully studied the statistics of the Jews, and not withstanding they had been persecuted for hundreds of years, being murdered and driven, until they were now scattered all over the known world, yet they numbered several millions. I reasoned thus, had the `Ten Tribes’, suffered equal disaster, and they had increased in number, in the same ratio as the Jews, the would number nearly ten times as many–or nine times and a half as it is nine a half tribes instead of ten. If they have increased in this proportion, where is there habitable earth for this vast amount of people who are hidden from the rest of mankind? I could not see.

I was in this train of thought, unable to obtain further information from any source, when as usual on a Sunday morning, I took my skiff and crossed the river to Nauvoo, to attend meeting.

Joseph addressed the congregation, and as if for special benefit, touched upon this subject which opened a new field for reflection to me. His subject was: The “restitution of all things spoken of by all the Holy Prophets since the world began,” quoting the twenty first verse of the third chapter of the Acts of the Apostles.

In the course of his remarks he spoke of the earth being divided at various times. He said, “When Enoch and his city was taken away, a portion of earth was taken and would again be restored. Also in the days of Peleg, the earth was divided, see Genesis 10th Chapter 25 verse.” He then referred to the `Ten Tribes’, saying, “You know a long time ago in the days of Shalmanezer King of Assyria when the Ten Tribes was taken away, and never been heard of since.” He said, “The earth will be restored as at the beginning, and the last taken away will be the first to return, for the last shall be first, and the first shall be last in all things.” He illustrated the return by saying.

“Some of you brethren have been coming up the river on a steamboat, and while seated at the table, the steamboat run against a snag which upset the table and scatter the dishes; so it will be when these portions of earth return. It will make the earth reel to and for `like a drunken man,’” quoting 24th chapter Isaiah 20th verse. When speaking of the return of the Ten Tribes, he said, “The mountains of ice shall flow down at their presence,” and a highway shall be cast up in the midst of the great deep.”

These remarks satisfied me, it was no longer necessary to hunt the place on this earth where the Ten Tribes were so long hidden, for the earth was divided and taken away, and will be the first to return, as it was the last taken away.

“He shall command the great deep, and it shall be driven back into the north countries, and the islands shall become one land.”

“And the land of Jerusalem and the land of Zion shall be turned back into their own place, and the earth shall be like as it was in the days before it was divided. See [D&C 133:21-24] Appendix. Doctrine & Covenants.

I will introduce a poem upon this subject, by Sister E. R. Snow, as it was published in the Millennial Star 1851, pg. 272 entitled

An Address to the Earth

Thou, earth, wast once a glorious sphere of noble magnitude,
And didst with majesty appear, among the worlds of God.
But thy dimensions have been torn asunder, piece by piece,
And each dismembered fragment borne abroad to distant space.
When Enoch could no longer stay amid corruption here,
Part of thyself was borne away to form another sphere.
That portion where his city stood He gained by right approved;
And nearer to the throne of God His planet upward moved.
And when the Lord saw fit to hide the “ten lost tribes” away,
Thou, earth, was severed to provide the orb on which they stay.
And thus, from time to time thy size has been diminished, till
Thou seemest the law of sacrifice created to fulfil.
The curse of God on man was placed: that curse thou didst partake,
And thou hast been by turns disgraced and honored for his sake.
The vilest wretches hell will claim now breathe thy atmosphere,
The noblest spirits heaven can name have been embodied here.
Jesus the Lord thy surface graced; He fell a sacrifice;
And now within thy cold embrace the martyred Joseph lies.
When Satan’s hosts are overcome, the martyred princely rare,
Will claim thee their celestial home thy royal dwelling place.
A “restitution” yet must come, that will to them restore,
By the grand law of worlds, thy sum of matter heretofore.
And thou, O earth, will leave the track thou hast been doomed to trace
The Gods with shouts will bring thee back to fill thy native place.⁶

2. A website titled NewRevelations.net⁷ has done extensive work in compiling other witnesses. Here is an account (from section 5) given by Homer Brown and Israel Call:

Homer Brown: "‘Then [Joseph Smith] added, ‘In consequence of this great portion [of the City of Enoch] being taken away, it naturally threw the earth out of balance. Now when it comes back, and also the planet on which the Lost Tribes are, the earth will receive its equilibrium and revolve as it naturally was in the very beginning.’

Israel Call: "Yes, my father, Anson Call, was a particular friend of the Prophet Joseph. I have heard him say on a number of occasions that the Prophet Joseph told him in company with others, that the Ten Tribes of Israel were on a portion of this earth that had been taken away."⁷

3. According to Phebe Carter Woodruff, JS [Joseph Smith] had similarly instructed the Saints in Nauvoo in summer 1840.

In a letter to her husband, Wilford Woodruff, Phebe stated that JS had “been advanceing new things to the church and publick of late says that this earth was the largest panat [planet] that ever was made and that there has been parts taken from it several times and at the time the 10 tribes were lost there was a part taken from it and that they would all come back and be joined to it again and that would be the realing to & fro like a drunken man &c &c.”
(Phebe Carter Woodruff, Montrose, Iowa Territory, to Wilford Woodruff, Liverpool, England, 2 July 1840, digital scan, Wilford Woodruff, Collection, CHL; see also Walker, Diary, 10 Mar. 1881, in Larson and Larson, Diary of Charles Lowell Walker, 540; and “Recollections of the Prophet Joseph Smith,” Juvenile Instructor, 1 June 1892, 344.)⁸

4. Compilation posted by exmocaptainmoroni⁹ OP•11y ago

More sources. I wish I knew where this pdf file I have came from, but I'm not sure.

Ten Lost Tribes Are On Another Planet Joseph Smith taught that the lost Ten Tribes were on another planet. He taught this to over a dozen individuals, including one of his wives, and several apostles:

Allen, Daniel 1872
Beck, James 1861
Brown, Benjamin 1924
Call, Anson 1924
Cannon, George Q. 1891
Dibble, Philo 1882/4,1906
Gates, Jacob 1881
Hamblin, Jacob ?
Mace, Wandle Before 1890
Pratt, Orson 1875
Richards, Franklin W. 1892
Rogers, Samuel After 1840?
Smith, Bathsheba 1892
Snow, Eliza R. 1881, 1931
Snow, Joseph 1889
Van Cott, John 1931
Young, Brigham 1867

President Young said he had heard Joseph say that the Ten Tribes of Israel were on a portion of land seperated from this Earth. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, September 8th, 1867.)

A portion of the North country containing the Ten Tribes may be separated from the Earth. (Wilford Woodruff Journal, September 25th, 1859.)

Joseph Smith said that the 2 Prophets who would Prophesy in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 years & a half, were Enoch & Elijah. Also the two wings north & South of our earth were inhabited. the north with the 9-1/2 tribes & the south wing by the People of Enochs City – this Earth when first created occupied a Position next to Kolob the highest in glory of all the Creations consequently on account of the high Position we once occupied we have fallen below all of the others in space–consequently our sufferings are greater–the greater the rise the greater will be the fall-when we are Redeemed we will be taken back again & Placed in our former Position. (James Beck Journal (Notebook) 1859-1865; October 8th 1861.)

I heard the Joseph the Prophet say that he had seen John the revelator and had a long conversation with him, whom told him that he John was their leader, prophet, priest, and king, and said that he was preparing that people to return and further said there is a mighty host of us. And Joseph further said that men might hunt for them but they could not find them for they were upon a portion of this planet that had been broken off and which was taken away. And the sea rushed in between Europe and America, and that when that piece returns there would be a great shake; the sea would then move to the north where it belonged in the morning of creation. (Daniel Allen, Minutes of the Parowan, Utah School of the Prophets, 17 August 1872.)

The Prophet Joseph once in my hearing advanced his opinion that the Ten Tribes were seperated from the Earth; or a portion of the Earth was by miracle broken off, and that in the latter-days it would be restored to Earth or be let down in the polar regions. Whether the Prophet founded his opinion upon revelation or whether it was a matter of mere speculation with him, I am unable to say. (Orson Pratt to John C. Hall, December 13th, 1875. [Elder Pratt however seemed to of been of the opinion that they resided on or in the North Pole.])

11 Feb 1881 – Some remarks were made by Sister Green stating that she heard Eliza Snow speak of the 9 and ½ lost tribes being on an orb and would eventually come back to their former place and we should know when they came by certain signs.

6 Mar 1881 – Brother Jacob Gates … Said he heard Joseph Smith say when he was at Bishop Partridge’s house in Far West, Missouri, concerning the ten lost tribes. “They are hid from us by land and air.” Said Bishop Partridge, “I guess they are by land and water,” in a doubting manner as if Joseph did not know what he was talking about. “Yes,” said Joseph, “by land and air; they are hid from us in such a manner and at such an angle that the astronomers cannot get their telescopes to bear on them from this Earth.”

10 Mar 1881 – At night paid Sister Eliza R. Snow a short visit and had some conversation with her on the dividing of the Earth. She told me that she heard the Prophet say that when the Ten Tribes were taken away the Lord cut the Earth in two, Joseph striking his left hand in the centre with the edge of his right to illustrate the idea, and that they were on an orb or planet by themselves, and when they return with the portion of this Earth that was taken away with them, the coming together of these two bodies or orbs would cause a shock and make the ‘Earth reel to and fro like a drunken man.’ She also stated that he said the Earth was now ninety times [percent?] smaller now than when first created or organized.

17 April 1898 – Attended Sunday school theological class. Brother Joseph Snow gave a very interesting lecture on the scattering and gathering of Israel. Said that the papyrus obtained by the Prophet Joseph Smith in connection with the Books of Moses and Abraham fond in the wrappings of the mummies gave an account of the ten lost tribes of Israel, their journeyings geographically to the land of the North country, a place where no man had ever set his foot before, also a diagram showing their present location (in space), also the city of Enoch. (Diary of Charles L. Walker.)

In the afternoon I go uptown and meet Lorin Woolley, with whom I converse for 2 or 3 hours. He told me of some of his experiences in the underground business, and confirmed some points of doctrine I had believed in. He agreed with me that the ten tribes are not on the earth, and moreover said that in reading George Q. Cannon’s Doctrine and Covenants, he had noted in the margin a statement to that effect, which had been made by the Prophet Joseph Smith. (George E. Woolley (his uncle) Journal, September 22, 1891.)

He [Franklin W. Richards] said that the ten tribes of Israel were separated from the earth – so Joseph Smith had said. (Rudger Clawson Diary, Book 10, p. 87 (referring to Richards, 3 Apr 1892 conference talk)

I heard him say, “Peradventure, the Ten Tribes were not on this globe, but a portion of earth had cleaved off with them and went flying into space, and when the time comes when the ‘earth reels to and fro like a drunken man and the stars from heaven fall,’ it would join on again.” Bathsheba W. Smith, Recollections of the Prophet Joseph Smith, The Juvenile Instructor 27:34, 1st June 1892.

Philo Dibble testified in May, 1884 that in 1882 in response to his asking the Prophet of the location of the Ten Tribes he was drawn a diagram showing the Earth with two spheres on either of its sides, one of which was supposed to be their residence. (His son Sidney and Matthew M. Dalton made sworn statements to this effect in January 1906.)⁹

I have not verified the source of all the above references, but my guess concerning the “Lost Ten Tribes” is that the evidence and witness supports in varying degrees that some are lost; some scattered; some assimilated; some distinct; some hidden; some here; some there. God knows.

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2. https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2024/05/confused-about-israel-part-2-gathering.html
3. Lost Tribes
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joseph_smith_taught_multiple_followers_that_the/
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6. https://doctrineandcovenantscentral.org/history/wandle-mace/
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Footnote 12 from https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/letter-from-thomas-burdick-28-august-1840/2#12659479498828434175 (p. 175)
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